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Re: [Rollei] Re: OT 1911


Only some Springfield '03A1 RIFLES were issued with a 2 groove
barrel.  General Motors Guide Lamp Div. made a single shot .45
ACP pistol with a NO GROOVE barrel.

All this OT gun talk originated from someone discussing a model

Richard Knoppow wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene Johnson" <genej2  >
> To: <rollei  
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 7:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: OT 1911
> > In the spirit of expanding the expansion, I still kick
> myself for long ago
> > passing on a Smith and Wesson model 1917 revolver in .45
> ACP.  It used two
> > half moon clips to hold the rimless cartridges for loading
> in the cylinder.
> > It was beautifully made, and was issued, along with the
> Colt New Army I
> > think, possibly due to shortages of the 1911.  Both of
> these were 6 shot
> > pistols.  I've seen several of the New Army model, but
> just the one Smith
> > 1917.  The Colt was not bad but lacked the fine finish and
> smooth action of
> > the Smith. As for the 1911, I agree with all that it is a
> fine pistol right
> > out of the box.  Given a few hours in the hands of a
> skilled pistolsmith
> > they can be very nearly perfect.  And this is from me, a
> big revolver guy.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marc James Small" <msmall  >
> > To: <rollei  
> > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 7:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: OT 1911
> >
> >
>   The Colt version was fairly common on the surplus market
> many years ago. One could also buy boxes of half moon clips
> for next to nothing.
>   My somewhat vague memory is that some wartime ACPs were
> poorly made, and some had two groove barrels. All this could
> be fixed by a gunsmith. Many WW-2 vintage ACPs were
> "accurized". I am not sure what that included but probably
> adjusting things for better fit. Military guns were made to
> have absolutely interchangible parts and  not to be fussy as
> you point out. It is a remarkable design. For those not
> familiar with the workings of the Colt Automatic Pistol it
> can be completely disassembled without tools. Even the
> screws holding the stocks on can be removed by using one of
> the flat springs in the mechanism. It is quite possible to
> learn to disassemble and reassemble one with your eyes
> closed.
>   The main cause of jamming, as I pointed out before, is bad
> springs in the magazines. If the magazines are in good
> condition the gun will never jam.
>   I am not particularly a shooter (although I love to target
> shoot) and not a gun nut, but I like well made machinery of
> all sorts hense my interest in both Rollei cameras and some
> guns.
> ---
> Richard Knoppow
> Los Angeles, CA, USA
> dickburk